posted 10-24-2004 11:53 AM         

Another thing I noticed is that Williams has highlighted almost every other word on his website with a variety of colors. Kind of like a kid playing with crayons...

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posted 10-25-2004 05:29 PM            

However, I, like George M., believe one should certainly protect oneself from any "abusive" system. So, I assume, not that I am a lawyer, or that I dispensing any legal advice or even that I am endorsing anyone to violate any law of the United States or subordinate jurisdiction, thereof, that if something did make it's way onto an open site (anonymously), I suppose there would be some who might benefit, in some form or fashion, from this type of inappropriate and possibly illegal action.

But, I'm not sure about any of this. Besides, this is a kind of chat room, right?

Just my thoughts on the matter...

posted 10-26-2004 09:29 PM         

The countermeasure reading room is a private, password protected page that is only available to examiners. The general public can't access it and shouldn't even know it's there.

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posted 10-27-2004 06:30 AM            

I understand that, but unless it is purchased by and for the "library" use, it is still a copyright violation.

I wouldn't want to see Ralph in litigation because one of "us guys" left the computer open and one of "those guys" found it and reported it to Williams.

Of course, if it were obtained from an unknown/anonymous source and sent to me/us in unsolicited e-mail without the ability to trace it; oh well...?

Take care,

posted 10-27-2004 06:40 AM         

Have you seen the countermeasure reading room? Ralph made it very secure. You need a user id and password to get to it, and this information is not publicly available. It already contains an earlier version of Dougie's "manual"

So the way its posted,its not like its on-line for just anyone to download. I don't think there's a problem worth worrying about here.

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posted 10-27-2004 11:01 AM            

I understand your intent, but I was not thinking about electronically accessing the board from the outside. I was thinking about the 120 plus members we have, who all have their passwords written down (somewhere, probably findable by anyone nosey enough to look) and is accessable to those who might not be on "our" team.

Also, once on the board, won't we download it? Will there be any security then? Is there something that indicates on the dowloaded/printed document that reflects it comes from the closed site? I don't know. But if so, I refer back to my original post. I don't want Ralph, or this site sued and closed because of failed OPSEC.

Jim

Remember:

"3 can keep a secret if 2 are dead..."

posted 10-27-2004 11:27 AM         

I think you're a wee bit too paranoid :-) The countermeasure reading room has been up for a long time now, with copies of earlier versions of the Williams pamphlet available. It's just a PDF file. You download it, can print it out, there's nothing that links it to this site. You're probably thinking of some web pages, that when you print them, it has the URL at the top or bottom. But PDF files aren't like that.

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posted 10-27-2004 02:14 PM            

the countermeasure reading room is located at
http://www.polygraphplace.com/countermeasures

The user pass is:

user: counter
pass: manuals

However, they are currently so secure I can't even get into them...meaning I'm having some difficulties with this directory on my new server...but i"ll get that solved soon.

Now to the other issues. I have in my life purchased two copies of the sting manual so I have no problem with simply having an updated copy of it here...and technically I'm not distributing the manual or sending it to anyone, I'm just posting it on my site. If Williams was really concerned about this he would not have made a pdf...or at the least would have secured the pdf so it cannot be 'saved and opened' by someone else.

As for someone snooping our own personal computers...that is technically possible, but highly unlikely without lots of money to pay for a high priced hacker. I don't even think George is that motivated.

I guess what I'm really saying is that I've considered the cost and the fact is you can get sued for anything regardless of how careful you are so I'm okay with posting the material here for viewing...but I'm NOT telling you to download it and pass it around

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